Tesla's Cybertruck will have an 800 mile range, and here's why...

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    Some quick back of the napkin calculations regarding the range that will be needed for Tesla's CyberTruck if it is going to be a serious contender for use as a tow vehicle.

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    1. Neal Tauss

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    2. Fabienne Gouba

      Tri motor Cybertruck will have 500 mile+ which is around 800 kilometers not 800 miles

      1. Twelve Wing Productions

        Watch the video. I think I lay out a pretty good argument for why the Cybertrick needs an 800 mile dry range to be taken seriously.

    3. kittyhooch1

      There are videos that go into drag coefficient, weight and so forth where exact equations are worked out. The three motor truck is set at 500 miles range. At capacity it's a real failure towing at the hundred mile range. It's an energy density matter. Double the efficiency of the battery pack and it becomes a contender. My net is this is the hold up on the semi and it's coming soon.

    4. antonio volpe

      300 kWh battery / three motors / 900 mile range

    5. Joseph Bonham

      Hoping you can weigh in on new Tesla battery patents filed on 12/26. Does this confirm what you have been predicting? electrek.co/2019/12/26/tesla-patents-battery-chemistry-cheaper/

    6. moahdieb

      I'm thinking that they could have an option for better batteries or adding a battery pack that could be added for people that want the good milage for a 14000 towing capacity. So when buying you will have the option to add something like this for extra money to give your truck that milage. Make your 70k price an 80k - 100k price for having that extra mileage. Make the bed part of the truck higher (less room) for more batteries, or the 16-inch clearance height lower to give room, but who knows what plans if any they might have. They have the house power batteries, so they may come up with a Cybertruck power battery. We will see.

    7. ThinkBig500

      Do you think they'll have a solid state battery in the cybertruck?

      1. ThinkBig500

        @Twelve Wing Productions I will look into those things. This definitely warrants a video of its own!

      2. Twelve Wing Productions

        @ThinkBig500, I'm probably going to have to do a video on it. It's basically them playing around with words and meanings to try and describe different things. It's really hard to adequately describe just how strange nano materials react. The electrolyte solvent, to me, insinuates that it is some kind of initiator. The main criticism that the original paper by Goodenough and Braga came under was for calling their cell "solid state" when it clearly used some kind of electrolyte or initiator. To understand why this liquid was added one probably needs to see just how these types of materials react when dry. Do a HUsel search for "Fume Quartz" or "Fume Silica". This is the closest thing you are going to find to understanding what the hell is going on with thus stuff on a component level. Fume quartz is very similar in properties to the monocrystal formation of the million mile battery's cathode material. Fume Quartz is also used to make something called "Dry water'. Basically the water diffuses into the solid forming a matrix that looks "wet" but feels dry to the touch. This stuff is used in transportation of volatile liquids sometimes. Things that would be flammable or explosive on their own but not when mixed with fume quartz. So my feeling on it is that there is more to it than meets the eye and I think it's yet another component in a solid state battery.

      3. ThinkBig500

        @Twelve Wing Productions What do you make of the news about an electrolyte solvent patent?

      4. Twelve Wing Productions

        @ThinkBig500, Some other perks as well. I suppose the biggest is a safety perk in that it isn't flamable. The Lithium is bound up in a solid. Probably garnet. Other perks are puncture resistance. You can puncture or cut a solid state battery and it will still continue to operate. At a reduced output, but it will continue to operate. In short, cutting or puncturing the battery won't cause a short.

      5. ThinkBig500

        @Twelve Wing Productions So the biggest perk of the solid state battery is that it could hit the million mile mark? Even if it's not any more energy dense, not having to worry about longevity issues is huge and as you've said before, people could own these vehicles for decades. Any clue what the charging rate could be vs li-ion now? Because heat doesn't seem to affect SS batteries, perhaps it could charge at a full 250 kW until it was full? Current ones start strong and slow down towards the end of the charge. That being a thing of the past could send people on their way much more quickly. Elon hinted at chargers that could do OVER 250 kW, so the results may only compound.

    8. D60Ebby

      Do you know what the 3 motor setup is? One motor for front & 2 hub motor for rear? Or what?

    9. AhBeeDoi

      Uh, uh, uh. Here, uh, are my, uh, thoughts. Uh.

    10. Jon Jennings

      I agree, Tesla has been working on numerous battery developments behind the scenes, probably with Johny B Goodenough and Co. whilst concentrating on model 3 and Y. I expect several surprises from Tesla over the coming months in the battery department, which will continue to keep Tesla one step ahead of the rest. Or the rest minus VW if they join forces, which I predict they will because it's a no-brainer.

    11. suavilica

      I think you are correct as I was thinking the same thing...

    12. Tony R

      Tesla claim 500 miles not 800 miles.

      1. Twelve Wing Productions

        I think you may need to watch the video again Tony. Or are you commenting just on the title without watching it at all? At 500 miles the Cybertruck would have a range of around 170-200 miles of range with approx. a 5,000 lb trailer. That isn't going to be acceptable if they are going to compete with gas and diesel trucks currently on the market doing these jobs. In the video I lay out my argument for what is an acceptable range. We know this is an acceptable range because it's the range of towing vehicle currently being sold. So at around the 300 mile mark for towing range, you wind up with a Cybertruck that goes 800 miles dry. Its as simple as that. If you find argument in that I welcome you to share it.

    13. Marcus Lintault

      Any truly compatible Tesla l trailer will also have it's own batteries that can be used as an additional power source or as a range extender so you will not need user super chargers at all during all day trips...just two destinations chargers overnight.

    14. Wesley Miller

      Dead on bro

    15. bruce baker

      Tesla fanboys are not and never will be average Working Class American's! 800 mile range??? what are you smoking???

    16. Morgan Morse

      Great content. Due to his slow speaking style, I have to alternate between 1.25x or 1.5x play speed.

    17. Will Sisk

      I think you're right that they will put the newest goodies in the S to some degree, but the counterpoint is: are the S and X going to be very important going forward? Maybe as a halo product for the brand, but that high end market is limited in size.

    18. Jr15642

      Well the dark lord said it, must be true...

      1. Twelve Wing Productions

        Well, if I'm the "Dark Lord" in this narrative then he just explained it to you with logic and calculations based on the physics involved. Do with that what you will.

    19. maynunal

      I hope to get the trailer and I hope that trailer has extra batteries for extra range!!!:-)

    20. Jason Snyder

      The problem right now with all of these batteries is weight. The whole reason to go exoskeleton was to make the vehicle as light and spacious as possible without using heavily tariffed material such as aluminum. Even so early evidence points to the Cybertruck being a medium duty truck weight wise, so more on par with the Ford F-250 than F-150. If you are hoping newer battery tech will make the truck lighter, well what I have read on the Maxwell acquisition is the battery tech coming out of that is actually heavier for what it does with the trade off of being able to go 1 million or more miles where the current battery tech is rated for 300,000 to 500,000. There is a problem with going more dense is it becomes even more of a challenge to keep the batteries from bursting into flames when they short because there is so much more energy there per unit of mass. People keep claiming they have found the holly grail for doubling battery density, which would be great if it still remains a chemistry suited for the rigors of pushing a big truck around in any weather, but I don't know if any of these claims being validated as tech we can use moving forward. In short, it seems plausible to have the 800 mile battery one day, but it may not materialize any time soon. Another way to go about this is to use some F-1 style engine tech along with a Prius style drive train in the front to allow for a plug in hybrid truck. The idea here is if you have the batteries do as much work as possible without making the truck really heavy, you could stick a small, high performance engine in the truck as well as a large gas tank. The reason a small engine would work in a truck like this is when the ICE engine does all the work, it gets beat up a lot as well as the mechanically complicated transmission, however with a strong battery system the engine will periodically kick on for range extension and to provide extra bursts of power, but the rest of the time it will either be off or at least running a soft load with the electrical system doing the rest. The Prius drive train is very mechanically simple and robust and so will go the distance. For a more specific idea of how this may work out is: 1. ICE engine - 3L V6 with electric turbo and super chargers for maximum variability. When instant power is needed, draw power from the battery to drive supercharger. For sustained power (say hill climbing), get power from turbo on the exhaust to power the supercharger. For light loading, effectively do normal aspiration. 2. Front drive train - ICE engine will have a sprag on its output shaft so it cannot spin backwards and have an opposing electric motor / generator capable of going up to full speed with the engine off. This motor / generator will be of the permanent magnet switched reluctance type such as what is used on the Model 3. A second one of about the same size will be more directly tied to the drive shaft like what happens with motor / generator 2 in the Prius. Power distribution to the front wheels will be handled by the brakes as this power system is low enough in power to where the brakes can handle all one wheel slip scenarios. 3. Rear drive train - Up to two induction motors driving the rear wheels. A lower powered one motor setup could still use the brakes to control power to the wheels in one wheel slip conditions while higher power will need one motor per wheel. 4. Battery - The battery may contribute up to 150 miles of all electric range. It will be powerful enough to cruise down the freeway when not towing a trailer and even do some light to moderate acceleration. Under heavy demands (such as quickly getting to freeway speeds and towing uphill), the ICE engine will kick on and contribute power to the system. When the battery runs low, the ICE engine will also kick on and provide range extension. The reason to keep the range down to something like 150 miles is there would be a combined focus on batteries that can handle a lot of abuse, which usually translates into less energy dense batteries and the ICE side of the drive train will still weigh something and take up space, so the battery size will have to be cut down to save on both space and weight. 5. Fuel tank - would want options up to a 30 gallon tank. While it would be cheaper to charge the battery as often as possible, I think the reality would often be some opportunistic charging happens while other times people will just drive from gas station to gas station, relying on the gas tank for the entire needed range while towing a heavy, draggy load such as a big, tall 5th wheel camping trailer. Other people will use a truck like this as their daily beater to work and so almost never touch the gas tank, instead maybe throwing a few gallons in here and their so it doesn't run dry and only occasionally fill it up for a big trip or something. Yet another way to tackle this range issue would be to have powered roadways. There are two main options: 1. Electrodynamic induction - This is similar to how you wirelessly charge your cell phone except scaled up to automobile use. It has been proven to handle even large buses, so plenty enough power. Put along major thoroughfares and you have basically limitless range around the country while onboard batteries would handle the side streets and such. 2. Conductive slots - Turn your Cybertruck into a slot car racer. Actually they are doing this in some parts of the world and it seems to be working out. Would be cheaper than the first option, though I am somewhat concerned about long term maintenance and people complaining about conductive slots in the middle of the road.

    21. Brian Carroll

      250+ Single Motor = 100kwh 300+Dual Motor= 125kwh (likely same as Plaid S) 500+Tri Motor= 200kwh (same as Roadster) I would put money on this. Btw, if you think a 100kwh battery pack will only get a Cybertruck 240 miles of range (optimistic by your guess) then how will a heavier 300kwh truck get 800 miles of range? 240miles x 3 is 720miles according to the math you did with the 100kwh pack. Range will decrease slightly with the added weight of the additional 200kwh of batteries. I suspect nothing larger than 200kwh at launch, maybe with a public outcry and demand for an $85,000 - $90,000 truck with great range while towing we will get the option

    22. lovenpeace

      Also think about getting better and better efficiency Ford electric car batteries and Technology there is no maintenance and you can use the car for maybe 20 years once all the cars are converted to Electric I think the business model is going to be very few cars to be made after that business is going to be real very low after 20 years the car repair shops are going to be closed the gas stations going to be closed the car dealerships is going to be closed

    23. lovenpeace

      By the time of 2021 they're going to have a lot better and a cheap battery plus they would be used using ultracapacitor so there is going to be a total different game I think that truck is going to be the most popular electric truck in USA in future

    24. Bip Nop

      Tesla has already started building a battery that uses the energy in the air and never needs to be charged.

      1. Twelve Wing Productions

        "uses the energy in the air and never needs to be charged"~ Horse shit. And you chose the wrong group to try and troll with that kind of nonsense. If you take a moment to read the comments, something I would highly suggest you do, you will quickly realize that this isn't an audience open to that kind of bullshit.

      2. Tony Montana

        Bip Nop bullshit!

    25. Bip Nop

      Have you lived in Bakersfield before and have/had Tourette syndrome?

    26. gareth5000

      They need quad motor torque vectoring with 4ws for the big one. All Teslas should have 4ws. Ever driven a third gen Prelude?

    27. Bip Nop

      You look like a satanist from the 70's and you have about as much class as a homeless drunkard. The exact opposite of what I think about when I think of Tesla/Elon Musk. Nice crystal ball ya weirdo.

      1. Twelve Wing Productions

        Probably time for you to focus on what's actually being discussed instead of flat earth/perpetual motion trolling. What I look like, is what I look like. There are plenty of other channels available that have poster ready talking heads that read from a script. That sounds like it's probably more your speed. You may want to try and choose a channel that has someone who "looks" more like what you expect.

    28. V Nelson

      I would bet on a super long range option,even in the RWD 1 motor. Most people never use 4WD.

      1. Mike 59

        I put the down on a tri just for the battery. I also would be happy with a single with the xtra long range.

    29. carrera2cruise

      Based on Maxwell’s prediction for their “Dry Electrode Battery” with a pathway to 500 kW/kilogram at an increase equivalent of 2.4 X the size of the Model X 100 battery pack, should be 888 mile range, but let’s not forget Ultra-Capasitators in the mix. If we are considering the same size “Skateboard” we will need to make room for the ultra-Capasitators which maybe reducing the battery pack in half, so the pack would be a 444 mile range with the Capasitators giving the power bust needed to take the vehicle with a trailer farther.

      1. Mike 59

        @Twelve Wing Productions Except for towing and going over Donner pass you only need the caps for accelland decell. Ten seconds of charge capacity would be enough for the flatlanders. Ten minutes of caps for the regen from a 5% downhill currently takes up too much volume. But I do see the P200Q as a high end Model S or X if they keep them around, and 200 kWh to 300 kWh for the highest end CT. If the exoskeleton is a real weight saver then I would get the truck instead of an X.

      2. Twelve Wing Productions

        I do not fault your math one bit. Have a look at the first two videos that were done on the solid state/million mile battery. The numbers you have come up with are exactly what I was looking at to make the Roadster work. Now while neither of us think that they are actually going to give the S or X an 800 mile range, they could. What they will do, as you pointed out...is to reduce the overall weight of the car by putting in fewer batteries. This might be offset by ultracaps... but the logic is sound. This also plays into what I said in this video about the Cybertruck "leveraging" the tech from the Roadster. I think we can look for a beast of a battery in this thing when it comes out and then they will take what they learned to make the ultimate electric passenger car in 2023... the Model S QP200 A quad motor, 200kwh beast that anyone would be proud to have in their garage. And they will also have a 300kwh version of the Cybertruck.

    30. charlie Bender

      "Only" towing 5,000 pounds 200 miles will bring you past multiple superchargers. Local work is far shorter range and half the time the trailer is empty. I enjoyed the video, but I think most work trucks will need less battery capacity than you predict.

      1. charlie Bender

        @Sylvan Butler Little or no affordable living in a 100 mile radius of the job site? Are these people working in Antarctica?

      2. Sylvan Butler

        @charlie Bender Yeah. Several builders in my area find a lot of work in a couple of wealthy resort areas 100-150 miles away. Very few landscapers and carpenters can afford to live in those towns.

      3. charlie Bender

        @Sylvan Butler I'm looking at range more in terms of a daily work truck. If you are a landscaper or carpenter and your daily commute is more than 100 miles each way . . . . you need to find work closer to home, regardless of the vehicle you are driving.

      4. Sylvan Butler

        Superchargers are far more rare in the parts of the U.S. where google shows highest search interest for the cybertruck. I need minimum over 200 miles of range to make it out and back for recreational trips, and over 300 miles to get from home to my parents and over 400 miles to get to where I dropped my boy off at school this fall. There aren't yet superchargers on those routes. ABetterRoutePlanner will send you a longer way for the two it knows about, but back country recreation is off the grid.

    31. Run The Numbers

      According to my math, dual/single motor has 100 kWh and the tri has 200 kWh

    32. M Andrew

      What about weight and cost? The massive weight of a pack that size would severely hurt efficiency. But I agree towing range will be a huge issue for electric trucks in the near future. If I was a truck person I'd be holding out for at least a 600 mile non-towing range...

    33. Padraic McDonnell

      You are saying 300 kWh?

    34. SCWgreg

      Everyone forgets that the current Tesla motors (S, 3, X) are engineered and tuned for range efficiency - for the vehicle itself - not for power and towing. I believe the Cybertruck motors, software, and battery tech will all combine to yield better *towing* efficiency, beyond the vehicle’s own weight. There have been some interviews with the engineers on how they computer model/engineer motor design (windings, etc) for a specific goal (think acceleration, power, range, efficiency with known vehicle/passenger weights, etc). Those design parameters and objectives will change for the Cybertruck.

    35. Silas Anguzu

      How about a trailer with a mega battery pack and single motor to give the cyber Truck a range of over 1,000 miles with trailer?

      1. Brennerman

        Silas Anguzu and add some regen on the trailer as well.

    36. Flyingcrocodile46

      All that ime spent figuring out the towing mileage of the cybertruck based on the starting mileage of 800 miles. Lol. What happens if you use the correct starting mileage of 500 miles?

    37. happysensy happysensy

      there will be electric power trailers available to

    38. Brad Sloan

      Where is the 800 mile range coming from? The last I heard it was 500.

      1. 0ooTheMAXXoo0

        The point of the video is to explain why he thinks the range will be 800 instead of the announced 500.

    39. Chuck O

      With a 100kWh battery and 320 miles of range the Model "X" is achieving roughly 3.2 miles/kWh. as such I believe the 3-motor version of the CyberTruck should be capable of at least 2.5 miles/kWh which makes sense for a 200kWh battery pack and 500 miles of range. These are "unloaded" figures so I will guess the CyberTruck pulling a 5000 lb load will achieve roughly 0.75 miles/kWh and have at least 150 miles of range. Rather than imagine that Tesla will install a massive 300 kWh pack I'm wondering if they might instead offer an auxiliary pack (100kWh or 150kWh), that can be rented for those times when some extra towing range is needed. The CyberTruck has a bed payload of 3500 lbs and an auxiliary battery pack (minus the cooling system, shielding and other unnecessary internals), might only weigh 1000-1500 lbs and would lie flat in the bed. I realize the extra weight of the aux battery would have a negative effect but I'd love to see some calculations for what it might add to the overall towing range. Just a thought..........

    40. BigWaveDragon

      I think there are a few things that may make a bigger difference when comparing the CT & Model X: 1. Gearing - I believe that the top speed was stated at 120mph. So, unlike other Tesla's this may be more of it's limits of the gearing than software locked or smaller battery (less available current). So, both easier pulling, speeding up, hills, etc. Can be much more efficient than the X. Also, as others stated the sweet spot of motor RPMs may be better for towing at 55-75 mph. 2. Regen - with the lower gearing I believe that the regen can be different and Tesla can maybe look at even super capacitors to maximize all the possible regen. Remember that the tri-motor may be able to harvest a lot more regen, especially with a heavy load/trailer. 3. Trailer Tech (Future/Bonus Item) - I feel eventually, given how different towing with an EV really is (or could be), there are both challenges and advantages that are hard to ignore. The standard trailer brakes and sway limiting systems don't match up perfectly between EVs and ICE vehicles. For instance electric trailer brakes will remove a lot of the regen. Not ideal. So, looking at towing, especially at the top limits, trailers with solar panels covering the top, cooperative regen, at least a smaller battery and much more aerodynamic trailers should be the standard. If the regen can be directly fed in to the truck (thicker cable connecting both), that would be ideal. Also, having batteries and solar can both power the trailer when camping, but if the battery is full it can supply the truck with a bit more range. The trailer battery can be an emergency backup, if needed. Also, the trailer, if intelligently connected to the truck, could work to reduce sway if detected. Larger travel trailers have movable sections, so why not move the front to be most aerodynamic during towing and extend back up/out to have space while camping. If EVs will be the dominant vehicle in 10 years, why not. Tesla can make a standard plug for this and share it with the industry, similar to the existing trailer plugs.

      1. Jim H.

        Agreed, and I also think for the CT to get any range over 300 while towing, the trailer MUST contain it's own batteries/motors. Pretty senseless to carry around the extra ton on battery when not towing. My thinking is at some point adding more batteries to the vehicle simply reduces efficiency and no longer increases range, due to the extra weight. So why haul around those extra batteries when not needed?

    41. jemez name

      A rough rule of thumb is 10 kWh/gallon of fuel displaced. So a Cybertruck with a 200 kWh battery is roughly equivalent to a gasoline truck with a 20 gallon tank. Most trucks today have a 30 gallon tank so a 300 kWh battery would be required to equal their towing range. I don't think Tesla is offering that much battery yet. I ordered the tri-motor version expecting a 200 kWh battery. It should be good enough for the towing I now do with my Ram 1500. For serious towing or for gooseneck trailers I have a Ram 3500. I am thrilled to be getting rid of that 1500 but I would dearly love to dump my 3500 as well. I saw a render of a Cybertruck with dual rear wheels. I hope Tesla builds something like that in the near future with an appropriately large battery.

    42. antonio volpe

      it’s longer wheelbase certainly allows it

    43. Yourfishman

      Fleet trucks will demand extended range batteries period. BUT they won't want 3 motors, 1 motor will meet all their needs, with less liabilities. There is also no reason Telsa can't offer a extra remote battery that goes in the bed of the any model Cyber truck too get that extra run time.

    44. heiko hanusch

      It better if it wants any hope of towing anything meaningful over 200 miles. It’s all about energy density and Lithium Ion doesn’t have it! Battery will have to be around 250kwh +... simple physics😉

    45. Sean K

      Given the load transfer upon acceleration and that load would be aft in the vehicle, the dynamics says three motors is enough. This is not a cubic inches race, you have to change your thinking. Give tesla some credit, they only hired the best. Rivian is a lot of show, at least so far.

    46. Brucec 95

      People need to remember that your range is greatly reduced the faster you drive. The power needed goes up with the square of the speed so much more important than the weight you are towing (especially with regen brakes in an EV). The videos where they are towing a trailer in a Model X going 80mph in Wyoming are totally unrealistic. Most trailers are not rated for high speed (my pop up trailer has 13" wheels so have to spin much faster than the cars). To make this practical, you are going to have to keep it at 60mph max (and in many/most states, the truck speed limit applies to towing trailers)

      1. Sylvan Butler

        That's nuts. It seems like you are from a completely different world from Colorado, Wyoming. Utah and Idaho where TFL was traveling. I tow 2 SxSs and 2 quads behind a tundra at 75-80 (cruising) with stretches over 85 mph to keep up with traffic. The truck speed limit doesn't apply, but even if it did it is 70mph and the truckers are always going 75-80 just like me, until they slow down going up hill. I won't be towing a little trailer with 13in wheels and neither were TFL. I think my 1988 corolla had 13in wheels... It went 80mph all day long more than once. Probably with a little trailer like that I'd just tow it behind the minivan but traveling that slow only happens on snow and ice. My last speeding ticket (years ago) was for 80 in a 55. Now that road is posted for 80.

      2. Brucec 95

        @Michelangelo Buonarroti The drag equation I found on the NASA website uses Velocity squared so I think that is applicable here. The other terms are cross section area and Coefficient of Drag, both of which would be bad for a trailer.

      3. Michelangelo Buonarroti

        I recall reading that air resistance goes up with the cube of velocity.

    47. Michael Bartell

      Put batteries in what you are towing

    48. Kasibert

      I actually think towing a trailer in the heavier cybertruck (compared to the X) should have a less percentage effect on the range of the vehicle or am I wrong?🤔

      1. Mike 59

        range is all about efficiency. Drag is what limits the towing range.

      2. Kasibert

        Much sentence very wow

    49. why-not.tv

      The muscles in our body contract because of electric pulses. If compared to an EV, our muscles are both the battery and the motors wrapped into one (they are more a kin to fuel cells than batteries). Can someone put a number on that machine? How efficient is it? It has already mastered autonomy and currently it uses "I" instead of "AI".

    50. Tom Robertson

      I'm the electric bike community, we use the "C" rate A 10 ah battery. Charge and discharge at 10 amps. The C rate is 1 A higher C rate let's you have higher Amps with less battery. But rule of thumb . Bigger battery let's you pull more amps out at one time . Which is a other reason the cyber truck will have a huge pack . Climbing a mountain at 70 mph will demand massive amps Keeping the C rate at low numbers will prolong the battery

    51. A Googler

      A reasonable expectation. I did see the video that u had the picture of.With the trailer. And knew It was going to use as much as was used battery wise. I believe this is the biggest issue facing Electric vehicles that no one wants to deal with.they need a longer range to make these thing functional

    52. Peter Wakeman

      Tesla long range will leave other ev's behind or can they catch up?

      1. Morgan Morse

        Peter Wakeman, there are no other EVs on the market that beat a Tesla.

    53. sonekulla

      500 miles towing range on the cyber truck is not happening or it would have been stated as such. Here's the high-probability scenario: Model X Raven = 300 watt hours/mile non-towing (100kwh pack = ~330 mi) baseline reference = 1 kwh/mi towing (100kwh pack = 100mi) Cybertruck = 400* watt hours/mile non-towing (100kwh pack = 250mi) - also used for Raven S&X (120kwh pack = 300mi) - also for base plaid S&X (200kwh pack = 500mi) - also for roadster (& top S&X?)^ = 1-1.2 kwh/mi towing (200kwh pack = 160-200mi)

      1. sonekulla

        @@pierre goba Two reasons motors will be the same.: Elon made a point at the semi unveil that 4 motors was a crucial safety feature as the torque vectoring enabled per driven wheel would allow the truck's AP computer to prevent/recover from the sort of skidding events that result in jack-knifing. He also made the point that since semis are not a large unit market, having the truck share parts with the high volume model 3/Y and now S&X Raven front drive is a big cost savings, and part of how they made the total cost of ownership numbers work.

      2. pierre goba

        @sonekulla sound only possible if the Semi will share the Motor with the rest of the cars.would be epic. But there is a chance they will make a bigger motor for the Semi to reduce the motor counts twin motor at double the current size for example to increase torque range

      3. sonekulla

        Fair enough. I guess I missed 'eventually,' though I wonder at that point whether they won't simply offer a junior version of the semi as the platform for that intermediate level truck.

      4. pierre goba

        @Twelve Wing Productions was reply to main comment, as it almost asserted that the roadster will have 200KWH but also the CT 200KWH(as good as it gets part of the comment), that would be poor use of space. Further more note that I believe if the roadster really gets 200KWh I see the CT top of the Range almost going 3/4 increase to 350KWh. But will see with the expected gains on battery. The truck is wider, longer and taller so I expect a considerable difference between the roadster and CT

      5. Twelve Wing Productions

        @pierre goba, if you are replying to me, I not only considered it, I actually made a point to address it in the video. I think you are right... the Cybertruck in its top trim will have a 300kwh battery in it.

    54. Matthew Sawyer

      Patrick, 1. Many congrats on 5,000 subscribers! That's awesome. I've been here since you had about 1k. 2. Another thought provoking video, I dig these crystal ball sessions. They are so fun. I agree the cybrtruck will need 360 miles of towing range. It will be fascinating to see how this all shakes out with the battery event. Keep the good times rolling man.

      1. Twelve Wing Productions

        Thanks for following along with us Matthew and cheers to you and the others that have made this channel so much fun to do. I'm reading the comments now and I'm reminded that it's not that we have 5,000 subscribers but it's WHO these subscribers are! Good grief... you guys are fantastic! I'm reading these comments with a massive smile on my face from the creative input and the passionate and respectful discussions. You ask questions of one another... you think things through... you CHANGE YOUR MIND! Jesus... where the hell else does THAT happen? So as thankful as I am for the support of those 5,000 subscribers I am so much more thankful that you all represent so much more than just a number. Cheers.

    55. Jim Hitch

      Number of charge cycles versus battery life. A higher KW or larger battery will need to be charged less often than a smaller one for the same miles. The life of a larger battery will go more miles before degradation. Tesla has an advantage over competitors and this will show more over time. The larger battery will have a much lower cost per mile over it's life. Also a longer range will allow for more home charging and less supercharging. This will also extend life.

    56. maddida

      Nice video, so question what are your thoughts on a CVT trans for range extending and a launch gear for performance?

      1. Sylvan Butler

        You aren't getting a CVT that will tow 14,000 pounds.

      2. 0ooTheMAXXoo0

        Also even a fixed gear is hard to make strong enough for the torque of these motors.

      3. 0ooTheMAXXoo0

        Electric motor is almost as efficient at top speeds as at lower speeds. The trans would be less efficient than how much it could help and it adds weight and complexity and size.

      4. Chris Bobiak

        maddida Re self / author autonomous driving: as much of the discussion of the CT’s potential target demographic focuses on working trucks, I question how even a Level 5 system would fare in construction zones? I’m currently driving my 10yr old Ford Ranger through areas of two different highway exchange / overpass and wastewater infrastructure upgrades where the driving conditions can change several times within an hour, and the thought of software trying to follow flag persons’ directions give me the heeby jeebies. Patrick - patiently awaiting your Absinthe tutorials. 🍸

      5. maddida

        Well not performance really the CVT would allow the motor to spin slower which would increase economy but really the best part is no part so will see where they go with this in the future.... As for self driving it has its place I see it helping out allot a people ...but still I rather to drive my self

    57. Daniel Richards

      The trailer setup is very important to distance able to be towed. Speculating putting batteries and a motor on a trailer is good for increasing tow mileage and the control of the trailer would be fairly easy with a tung switch similar to what larger trailers have today for their breaks. The switch works with the hitch , when accelerating it activates by tension and engages the motor accordingly, when at speed tension is relieved and the motor adjusts to optimum working efficiency, when stopping regenerative breaking activates and when hard breaking is needed friction breaks activate. With this setup a trailer could be used with nearly any vehicle capable of towing , EV and ICE alike. In my estimation a system for towing like this could be an industry unto itself.

      1. Daniel Richards

        @Jim H. my point was that there would not need to be any more data transferred than what is already done with an existing system, everything is done at the hitch through motion sensing.

      2. Jim H.

        Agreed! Wouldn't be surprised at all to see giant CyberTruck after-market for trailers like this, solar panels covering the tops too! And yes, properly engineered, such a trailer could attach to any type vehicle that can transmit breaking/acceleration data to the trailer. Kudos for a great ideas!

      3. john stubbe

        I like it

    58. shepherdsknoll8

      It looks like Cybertrucks hauling a trailer will have to charge with the “big boys “ (semis) . Watch to see if the Semi truck Supercharger areas become numerous enough for Cybertrucks with trailers.

      1. shepherdsknoll8

        Twelve Wing Productions , it only makes sense since a truck with trailer will not fit in a regular Supercharger, but I guess we will see what Tesla has in mind.

      2. Twelve Wing Productions

        I think the Cybertrucks will charge at semi charging locations when hauling for the most part. The future of this is still evolving, so predictions are difficult to make.

    59. Walter Macdonald

      Model x is their least efficient vehicle, mostly due to older tech. It’s a pig in certain conditions,even when not towing. This should have surprisingly better results.

    60. B. Mtn

      I agree a much bigger battery will be needed. I think at least 300 miles while towing. The issue is going to be the superchargers. I have seen none in my area that would allow a truck to charge with the trailer attached. Sure you could pull in sideways and block all the chargers but that may upset some people. Unhooking the trailer every time to charge would be unacceptable. Until this is changed the CT will be no more than a fairly local driving vehicle when towing. The other issue I have with the CT is people compare the top of the line model with a f150. That's comparing a $70k truck to one that's half the cost. $70k can get you a fully loaded diesel truck with double the payload and a 35k pound towing capacity. A much more capable truck. I like Tesla and I'm looking to get a model y when it comes out but the truck definitely missed the mark for me and a majority of the truck market.

      1. B. Mtn

        @Michelangelo Buonarroti they are definitely going to need at least two

      2. Michelangelo Buonarroti

        I predict that one or two more stations will be added to most Supercharger facilities to accommodate pull through vehicles like vehicles with a trailer, instead of back-in stations which are sufficient for vehicles without a trailer. Tesla must already be aware of this need.